In reply to Vote for change.

I’ve been on these “unsafe” streets and public transportation since 1960. In 1962, I survived a free ride on the undercarriage of a J-Church train. My grandpa (SFPD 40 years) picked me up from Mission Emergency. In Y2K, I rode my bike through the Mission everyday to work before bike lanes. SF is a city where folks work together to live in freedom. Go somewhere else for a police state.

In reply to cardinal.

What the City needs is NO bs race-based stops; evidence and judgments against the City’s taxpayer show that’s what we’ll get. Sounds like these are crimes you want to capture the massive SFPD’s focus. As a taxpayer, I don’t want to pay for this kind of crap parading as policing.

I don’t know why the police union even cares. There are so few actual traffic stops in this city and less every year if you look at Vision Zeros focus on the five data. It seems SFPD just doesn’t care to do any traffic enforcement and nobody is holding them accountable to do this part of their job. The only reason I can think of to fight this is that the rare occasions an SFPD officer does decide to do traffic enforcement are for other unrelated reasons to the traffic violation, which is exactly why pretext stops can quickly become racist.

Oh want a great idea. Let’s let people who have ZERO experience law enforcement tell police how they should do their jobs. This city needs more police who enforce the law, as well as judges who actually punish criminals. Crime is getting worse and worse in this city and this policy is just helps perpetuate the lawlessness going on here.

Would it be possible to train police officers to be more circumspect as to when and how they do pretext stops….Yes..I think so, at least in SF. Worth a try. But Alex Vitale and others of his minds set would scoff. Police abolitionists still have some influence. Dear H, elected police chief: a bad idea. Elect a good mayor and get some practical police commissioners – that’s the best we can hope for.

I see too many cars driving around without legitimate license plates. There should be more policing of those cars with missing plates. People with missing plates are usually up to no good.

In reply to Cho.

Cho,

Unfortunately, in this case the cops are very often the criminals.

They want to get rid of paperwork so they won’t leave a paper trail of conflicting tales.

If we had a better force we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

We don’t.

Oh, we probably have over a thousand sworn cops who actually share the vibe describes this old hippie …

I don’t think all cops are bad by any means.

I just think that too many of the baddies are running the show.

Don’t give them more power and less accountability !!

Go Niners !! (Vegas still favors us for this year)

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In reply to Greg on 26.

Greg,

The point no one is making is that SFPD has recruited some serious goons through their Lateral Transfer Program that allows them to bypass our very excellent Police Academy.

These are the Racists who break out tail lights before the ‘subject’ even enters their vehicle and either wears no ID and has a mourning strip over his badge number and trades jackets with a cop on duty in some other precinct so it couldn’t have been him who roughed up one of Willie’s girlfriends and got caught and he was a Training Officer (Serna ?).

My point is that this is a carefully chosen Force that over the years has put some Cowboy/cowgirl Rogue Cops into positions of authority.

They can be righted with a real Police Chief.

One elected by the people.

But, a Mayor would have to give up Power to put that Charter Amendment on the Ballot and I don’t see any candidates suggesting that (Michael Hennessey’s Idea).

Don’t give these people who hate San Francisco Values more power and less accountability.

Bring back the Patrol Specials by the Hundreds !!!

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Joe,

See if Will agrees with me cause he’s a stickler on the language but I’m guessing ‘Fred’ is an AI composite created from Moderate talking points.

And, in the Series, Fred Sanford is an ignorant, lazy, selfish and bigoted old man.

From my Home Town of St. Louis by the way where there is a street named ‘Fred Sanford’ on which ‘Redevelopment’ has destroyed every building.

Never met him but those who worked with him said, ‘Red Fox’ the Comic was nothing like the TV junkman.

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In reply to Mr. Sanford.

Fred — 

How many “This is the big one!” jokes have you gotten?

JE

In reply to Joe Eskenazi.

Yes, really…

In reply to Fred Sanford.

Fred Sanford? Really?

JE

I’m a black man and a native of the City. This is the most ridiculous City policy (among others) that I have ever of. So, effectively you are telling me that young black and brown street thugs are too DUMB and STUPID to change a taillight or keep their cars properly registered LIKE THE REST OF US LAW ABIDING CITIZENS. The Police Chief should be screaming from Twin Peaks because this effectively removed the little respect his department had left. SF has continued to lower the bar for these animals who consistently victimized innocence at the hand of POLITICAL IGNORANCE!! Know this folks, more guns and drugs will be roaming the streets and more victims will result from this ridiculous political policy. I have decided to leave my home town as soon as possible. IT’S TOO LATE TO TRY AND TURN THINGS AROUND….just look at the streets critically the next time you’re out and about. And this is what the leadership comes up with. Sad 😔.

Considering how unsafe the streets are in San Francisco, and considering how many pedestrian deaths have been reported even as the City attempts to structurally make streets safe, I think the police should be able to use all the tools at their disposal. As a bike rider and pedestrian in San Francisco since 1976, I have never seen such reckless driving in all that time as what is going on now.

This ridiculous decision just shows how badly we need Prop E.

We have to stop the Police Commission from protecting criminals. That is not their role but they seem to think that it is.

Failing to use a blinker, OK, fine. But broken tail light needs to get a fix-it ticket. And I don’t understand how driving on expired tags is a minor infraction we should just stop enforcing. If you have expired tags, you likely have lapsed insurance as well. Your car should be impounded immediately until you sort it out.

Just what SF needs – fewer traffic stops. You can’t make this up.

“missing front license plate, recently expired registration tags, or a broken tail light”

These aren’t pretexts. They are violations.

I voted for Prop E, as everyone who cares about the city should. But I wish there was a way to vote to eliminate the Police Commission entirely. They are part of the problem, not the solution.